Episode 4 - What are your thougts ? [Spoiler]

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There is another explanation for mental powers in the original trilogy: they are a result of Second Foundationers being experts in psychology. Essentially, the idea is that if you are a really good psychologist, trained since an early age, you are pretty much telepathic. And psychohistory in the original trilogy is seen as a development of psychology applied to large groups, that's where the name comes from. So the two are connected originally.

That doesn't contradict experimental treatments or the genetic angle. It's perfectly possible that being good in the psychology department can be enhanced with some treatment and depends on genes.

But in the TV series Salvor Hardin can predict coin tosses, and that isn't something you can achieve by being a really good psychologist.

I see two possibilities to keep it compatible with the original idea:

1. Gaal, who is telling us the Foundation story, isn't telling us the whole truth. The coin toss story is in place of some other event similar to a coin toss. Salvor correctly predicted something that most people would think was pure chance.

2. Salvor is claiming that she can predict coin tosses just to cause an impression, but she's just using a loaded coin and it has nothing to do with her mental powers.

The mental powers have two explanations in the canon. The first one is mentioned in the book Foundation and Earth where it is said that they come from the protagonist of the book Pebble in the sky -Schwarzman- who was subjected to an experimental treatment to increase intelligence. The second explanation is that powers were stimulated by R Daneel maybe through genetic manipulation

I'm wondering about Salvor Hardin's mentalic powers, too. In the books, the Second Foundation has mentalic powers and psychohistory, the First Foundation has physical technology and (eventually) visible power. Salvor Hardin in the book knew a little bit about psychohistory, it looks like in the series she has a bit of mentalic powers instead. But what if those two aren't entirely separate things? What if mentalic powers make it easier for people to understand psychohistory in an intuitive way, or if an understanding of the maths underlying psychohistory can somehow unlock mentalic powers in some people? Then it would make a lot of sense for the Second Foundation to have both.

I'm not even sure there are going to be two Foundations in the series. Terminus has at least one person with metalic powers and the Prime Radiant with all the psychohistory equations. It will be rather interesting if in the series there is only one Foundation and Arcadia's idea about the Second Foundation (they live among the First Foundation) is what's actually happening.

Even if there are two Foundations in the series, in the books there were some Second Foundationers living in the First Foundation at least at one point, so there is no rule in the Seldon Plan against that. And I don't see why there would be a rule against any of those Second Foundationers being psychohistorians. The rule, if anything, would be that psychohistorians don't teach openly about psychohistory outside of the Second Foundation.

Exactly

Woww Ep 4th worth every minute even the crisis is enterely new and different than the book, the new argumental line provides nuances wich original had not. Also are interesting the Salvor's mental powers, but it is on the edge of canon -even the Seldon plain I'd say- cos remember.... tere must be no psichohistorian in First Foundation.. however nothing says the plan about mentalists... be careful.. is on the edge....

Regarding the Conclave selecting the next Proxima: Whatever happens, the empire will be harmed.

In one scenario, Zephyr Halima will be selected against Brother Days's wishes and orthodoxy and the Primary Octavo will be restored. The Cleon dynasty will face a decrease in perceptions of legitimacy and, eventually, direct challenges to their rule.

Alternatively, Brother Day will succeed, through coercion and/or bribery, in ensuring that the assembly will select Zephyr Gilat. He will thereby preciptate a schism, as the proponents of the pre-imperial interpretation will split off and decry his tactics.

In both scenarios, military challenges will rise against the dynasty.

In terms of how this episode is setting things up: I think that Lewis will give Phara and the Anacreonian soldiers the drive technology that they seek in the hopes that they will leave the Foundation alone.

However, instead of using it to depart from Anacreon for another world, the technology will instead bolster and strengthen that planet's military and they will later send more troops as per the books.

If the claims about the planet dying are really true, then that would represent an excessive deviation from the books. It is possible that they fully plan to stay on Anacreon and want to become the hegemonic power in that region of space. Phara has been far from truthful so far, so it is very conceivable that she added in some falsehoods to maximize sympathy, along with threats, to achieve the greatest chance of success in obtaining the drive technology.

Spoilers Episode 4 was kind of all over the place, but so was last year. I want it to be more in step with the books because there is a different way for each Seldon crisis to be solved and I worry that brilliance will get lost in space opera antics. Meanwhile here is a bit of trivia. The mathematician Emperor Cleon yells at is played by Ian McNeice, who portrayed the Baron Harkonnen in both Frank Herbert’s Dune over twenty years ago and Franck Herbert’s Children of Dune in 2003, which aired on Sci-Fi Channel in the U.S.